Brave Heart

My friends and i have debated this… Who would be the champion after this fight? Would it be King Leonidas from "300", Maximus Arruelius from "Gladiator", Achilles from "Troy" or would it be William Wallace from "Braveheart"?????

If they all existed as described in tales, Achilles would easily win. Leonidas was real, and so was Sir William Wallace. Achilles is a mythical character, and Maximus is only a movie character. Some myths say Achilles was a giant 13.5 feet tall, and he was immensely strong and quick, plus Death had power only over his heel, so he would be quite formidable. He was not invulnerable, as some people wrongly say. He was wounded in the arm by Asteropaeus in the "Iliad", and he was wounded by Memon in the "Aethiopis". Leonida was in his 50s at Thermopylae, so he was past his prime. William Wallace was a big man. I belong to a Yahoo Group about "StrongestMen", and there is an essay about Achilles that was added last week. Someone calculated that if he was 13′-6" tall, he would weigh about 2300-2500 pounds. Leonidas, Maximus and even William Wallace would be babies compared to such a huge strongman. One man I know laughs about Brad Pitt playing Achilles. At the first of the movie, he beats Boagrius played by Nathan Jones, a 6′-10", 350 lbs, powerlifting champion of Australia. Nathan Jones should play Achilles. Brad Pitt was more Diomed, a small man who beat big men with his skill and bravery.

Years ago on the TY they said gays hated the movie Brave heart. I have seen the movie and wanted to know what gays dislike about it?

Hmmm. Could it be that Edward II is portrayed as a villain because he’s gay, despite historical evidence to the contrary? Could it be because his father tosses his gay lover out a window to his death?

Nah, nothing anti-gay there. <end sarcasm>

I really want to watch Braveheart, I heard it’s awesome. But I’m extremely sensitive to gore and violence and Braveheart I’m sure has plenty of it.
I can watch movies like LOTR and The Patriot, but that is the farthest extent of violence and blood that I can tolerate.
So how gorey is it? Is it at the same level as The Patriot? If so, I’ll watch it.

Thanks and God Bless you all!

Violence & Gore: 10

-Around 10-15 bodies hang from nooses in an old barn/outhouse. Shots of their dead, pale faces.

- A recently deceased man with a gaping chest wound lies dead on a stone table, being washed. This man is shortly after seen in a dream sequence.

- A brief fist fight and struggle breaks out between English soldiers and Scots villagers, a knife is held to a man’s throat.

- A young woman is cornered by soldiers, and slaps the aggressor in defense. She is thrown to the ground forcibly and sexually molested by a soldier. She bites his cheek drawing blood, and is smacked in the face. A rescuer comes to her aid, hurling a sizable rock into a soldier’s head and throwing another head first into the side of a stone hut.

- A woman on horseback is struck in the face with a long stick, knocking her semi-unconscious

- A soldier slits a woman’s throat with a knife, the actual knife attack is off screen, only her face is shown

- A soldier is struck hard in the face with a pair of nun-chuks, he is knocked out cold, another soldier has a short hook plunged into his neck, with a close-up of the bloody wound. A soldier has his leg cut off at the knee with a long sword; a shot of the bloody wound. Another soldier is hit in the chest by a flying sword and is keels back in shock before dying.

-Villager’s attack soldiers; a large stone is slammed into a soldier’s head, a soldier is hit with a long ‘gardening tool’, a soldier is knocked down and has a large hammer swung into the side of his head, a spear is hurled into a soldier’s chest. A soldier is headbutted, lifted up and thrown onto a wooden spike, impaling him graphically. A dead soldier is used as a meat shield as arrows hit his body.

- A soldier has his throat slit with a knife, as before, the actual knife attack is very brief

- A man is slain with a long handled axe, although only the swinging axe is shown and no blood or gore is seen.

- A man is killed by a flying sword, after trying to assassinate a figure of importance

- A huge shower of arrows rain upon a small army on a battlefield, arrows hitting legs, torso’s, buttock’s; quite abit of blood is seen.

- A cavalry charge is stopped by a row of sharpened wooden spears; multiple shots of spears plunging into horse’s bodies causing bloody wounds. The mounted troops are dragged off and mercilessly slain with swords and axes, a soldier is struck with an axe through the top of the head, causing a spray of blood.

- 2 armies clash in battle, bloody and graphic depictions of; a leg being hacked off at the knee, a knife plunged into a man’s nose, an impalement with full length of sword, a beheading, an arm crushed with an axe, a head caved in with an overhead sword swing, a stab to the groin, a soldier is struck with a sword, then trampled under horse charge.

- A scene showing the aftermath of the bloody battle; dead or dying bodies litter the battlefield, many covered in blood.

- Boiling oil is poured down onto troops trying to raid a castle by the castle’s defenders, causing the wounded to writhe in agony on the ground. The oil is then lit, as men are seen staggering around engulfed in flames.

- A severed head is pulled out of a box, a brief close-up of the sagging, decaying face. Very shortly after this a young man is hurled from a window and falls to his death many feet below.

- Flaming arrows are fired onto a patch of land soaked with flammable liquids, causing the soldiers occupying the land to become engulfed in flames and flail around in shock.

- Several men are hit in the torso with arrow’s during a battle scene, mostly fatal wounding, a man is stabbed repeatedly.

- A man’s face is crushed instantly upon being hit with a ball on chain swung with great force.

- A recently slain man is dropped from a balcony onto a table as men sit for a meal, a close-up of a bloody gaping neck wound.

- A small unit of soldiers are forced into a stone hut, doused in oil through the straw roof and burned alive. The sound of screaming can be heard throughout the scene.

- A man is set upon by a unit of soldiers and beaten with sticks until unconscious and bloodied.

- A man is stretched by his hands and ankles as part of a public torture, his face contorting in pain. The torture continues with a brutal throttling by way of a noose. The man, gasping and struggling to stand, is placed and tied to a horizontal wooden cross where he is then gutted and finally beheaded with a long axe. Only the man’s face is shown during the gutting, and the actual beheading is off screen.

- Overall, the violence in this film is practically non-stop. This movie contains probably some of the most graphic violence ever put on screen.

- On a high-low scale of blood and gore for extended battle sequences, Braveheart is probably second only to Saving Private Ryan. Unless the kids in question are very mature, I would not recommend showing this film to any kid under the age of 1

Help please?
I guess it is difficult for me because my understanding of the defintion of feudalism is vague.

The English wanted complete control of Scotland, they wanted everything their way and wanted to suppress the Scots. The Scots rebelled and fought off the English, the fighting put a lot of life back into the Scots something that they lost when the English controlled them.

There is this movie Braveheart wherein William Wallace fights a war.
We needed information on what was the approx. budget by which they fought their war.
i would appreciate any kind of help on this matter.
Thank You.

This rebellion had no single source of funds and no documentation so its impossible to say. Individual soldiers brought their own weapons and horses and the better fed brought their own provisions. Locals who were in sympathy donated provisions and those who weren’t in sympathy had them stolen by raiding troops.

If it had lasted longer, the movement would have fallen apart due to lack of organization and funds. That’s why rebellions must succeed at once or die.

for example: Is the freedom William Wallace fought for in Braveheart the same kind of freedom gays/lesbians or abortion rights activists want? Or do you see any difference?

There are differences. Gay/lesbians want rights to be equal under the laws. Abortion rights activists want their right to control and decide on issues of abortion. These conditions were made by patriots fighting for freedom from ruling government interference. Something William Wallace fought for in Braveheart. And, the US Constitution where every person has inalienable rights fought for us by American patriots.

after watching the movie last night, I bought the soundtrack and its been in my mind all day! every emotion and scene is carried beautifully by Horner’s soundtrack…i may be the only teenager that grades movies partially on how good their soundtracks are.

Often, you can find cheap vinyl or cloth table cloths with the checked pattern. (just a couple of dollars.) Wrap around you for part of costume. Paint the blue streaks on your face.

i want all the video songs of that movie..n also the concert videos of that troupe using brazilian instruments especially the celebration song..its not in youtube..can someone give me the links..

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